I know the answer The U.S. 1917 Enfield was in mass production by Remington, Winchester, and Eddystone. The guns are as physically identical as that time period allows in terms of quality control. The problem with Eddystone centered primarily on the lack of sophistication in heat treating with a lesser concern as to metallurgy. This does not mean the Eddystone is dangerous or of poor quality. It does mean the gun was not considered on the same level as either the Winchester or the Remington product.
When I was young the 1917 Enfield was a prime source of actions for more powerful cartridges (beyond the.30-06 range). The guns chosen for conversion were the Winchester and Remington actions.
Hi LarryO1970 I do not know of any special serial numbers for a 'good' Eddystone. Any of them would be good with the original barrel. They did meet War Dept. Acceptance and performed well in WW1. My best advice would be to get one if you want one. As I posted earlier, the Eddystones were just not chosen for higher power conversions during the 1960's.
Accordingly, Remington Arms Co. Altered the design for caliber.30-06 Springfield, under the close supervision of the U.S. Army Ordnance Department, which was formally adopted as the U.S. Rifle, Caliber.30, Model of 1917. The serial number is 117349. You are bidding on a Late WWI U.S. Model Of 1917 Enfield Remington.30-06 SPRG Rifle. The rifle features a 26' barrel, six shot magazine.
The lack of sophistication in heat treating was 'common knowledge' in the 60's although I do not have specifics as to the degree of hardening on an Eddystone versus a Remington or Winchester. If you have an Eddystone receiver and wish to spend some money there are good metallurgical firms that could re-heat treat to any specification. Click to expand.You have a US Rifle Model of 1917.
It was an adaptation of the British Pattern 14 (Pattern of 1914, or P14) in.303 British, which in turn came from the British P13, which was in a new rimless cartridge, the.276 Enfield. The British design was developed at the Royal Arsenal at Enfield, and was based on a Mauser type action. When the Brits feared they would not be able to manufacture enough SMLEs to arm their troops in WWI, they contracted with Winchester and Remington to manufacture the P14 in the USA as a supplemental arm. In the event, the Brits were able to manufacture sufficient SMLEs for their needs. When the Brit contracts ran out, coincidentally the US had entered WWI and needed rifles. There was not time to tool up other plants for the US design, the Model of 1903, also based on the Mauser but a completely different rifle from the Brit Enfield-designed P13/P14.
It turned out to be easy to convert the P14 back to a rimless cartridge, in this case, the.30-'06, and the result was the Model of 1917. A third plant, in Eddystone, PA, was added to raise production further. The result was that more M1917s were fielded in France than M1903s!
After the war, a combination of 'NIH' and the greater suitability of the M1903 as a target rifle sent the M1917s into storage. Regards, Walt.
Well, Folks I got me one!My 1917 Enfield arrived fromt he CMP, and she is a bute! The serial number is 925,000 range and the metal is in excellent shape! The wood has the character dings and scratches, but she is a bute.If I didn't already say that. I have a question though, I am a learning person in this area.The make of this rifle is 'Eddystone' U.S. Does anyone have any knowledge on the make of this weapon??? I am just about complete in a series of US battle rifles, I have the S/A M-1a and H&R Garand as well as the S/A O3 and the Smith and Corona O3A3, I also have the (inland) M-1 Carbine and a RRA LAR15. Now I just need to find a Thompson.
Welcome to the forum WPD80. I know very little about the 1917 but here it comes anyway The 1917 is America's retooling of the pattern 14 Enfield that were to be sold to England before things got real ugly for the Brits in that era.
The US redesigned it so it would run with 3006 ammo and used it I think due to a need of rifles for our troops. Eddystone was a arsenal that I think was run with the help of Remington in the state of New York.
I may be wrong on that but thats what I'm digging out of memory (old) You may someday run across the same model made by Remington or Winchester as well. Once upon a time I had a P-14 rifle and with cast bullets it shot very well, ball ammo wasn't so great because of bore dimensions. Jack is right - Eddystone was affiliated with Remington and was one of three manufacturers - Winchester and Remington being the other two. About 1.2 million Eddystone M1917s were made and roughtly the same amount were made totally by the other two. Approximately 3/4 of US soldiers in WWI carried the M1917.
I know the answer The U.S. 1917 Enfield was in mass production by Remington, Winchester, and Eddystone. The guns are as physically identical as that time period allows in terms of quality control. The problem with Eddystone centered primarily on the lack of sophistication in heat treating with a lesser concern as to metallurgy. This does not mean the Eddystone is dangerous or of poor quality. It does mean the gun was not considered on the same level as either the Winchester or the Remington product.
When I was young the 1917 Enfield was a prime source of actions for more powerful cartridges (beyond the.30-06 range). The guns chosen for conversion were the Winchester and Remington actions.
Hi LarryO1970 I do not know of any special serial numbers for a 'good' Eddystone. Any of them would be good with the original barrel. They did meet War Dept. Acceptance and performed well in WW1. My best advice would be to get one if you want one. As I posted earlier, the Eddystones were just not chosen for higher power conversions during the 1960's.
Accordingly, Remington Arms Co. Altered the design for caliber.30-06 Springfield, under the close supervision of the U.S. Army Ordnance Department, which was formally adopted as the U.S. Rifle, Caliber.30, Model of 1917. The serial number is 117349. You are bidding on a Late WWI U.S. Model Of 1917 Enfield Remington.30-06 SPRG Rifle. The rifle features a 26' barrel, six shot magazine.
The lack of sophistication in heat treating was 'common knowledge' in the 60's although I do not have specifics as to the degree of hardening on an Eddystone versus a Remington or Winchester. If you have an Eddystone receiver and wish to spend some money there are good metallurgical firms that could re-heat treat to any specification. Click to expand.You have a US Rifle Model of 1917.
It was an adaptation of the British Pattern 14 (Pattern of 1914, or P14) in.303 British, which in turn came from the British P13, which was in a new rimless cartridge, the.276 Enfield. The British design was developed at the Royal Arsenal at Enfield, and was based on a Mauser type action. When the Brits feared they would not be able to manufacture enough SMLEs to arm their troops in WWI, they contracted with Winchester and Remington to manufacture the P14 in the USA as a supplemental arm. In the event, the Brits were able to manufacture sufficient SMLEs for their needs. When the Brit contracts ran out, coincidentally the US had entered WWI and needed rifles. There was not time to tool up other plants for the US design, the Model of 1903, also based on the Mauser but a completely different rifle from the Brit Enfield-designed P13/P14.
It turned out to be easy to convert the P14 back to a rimless cartridge, in this case, the.30-'06, and the result was the Model of 1917. A third plant, in Eddystone, PA, was added to raise production further. The result was that more M1917s were fielded in France than M1903s!
After the war, a combination of 'NIH' and the greater suitability of the M1903 as a target rifle sent the M1917s into storage. Regards, Walt.
Well, Folks I got me one!My 1917 Enfield arrived fromt he CMP, and she is a bute! The serial number is 925,000 range and the metal is in excellent shape! The wood has the character dings and scratches, but she is a bute.If I didn't already say that. I have a question though, I am a learning person in this area.The make of this rifle is 'Eddystone' U.S. Does anyone have any knowledge on the make of this weapon??? I am just about complete in a series of US battle rifles, I have the S/A M-1a and H&R Garand as well as the S/A O3 and the Smith and Corona O3A3, I also have the (inland) M-1 Carbine and a RRA LAR15. Now I just need to find a Thompson.
Welcome to the forum WPD80. I know very little about the 1917 but here it comes anyway The 1917 is America's retooling of the pattern 14 Enfield that were to be sold to England before things got real ugly for the Brits in that era.
The US redesigned it so it would run with 3006 ammo and used it I think due to a need of rifles for our troops. Eddystone was a arsenal that I think was run with the help of Remington in the state of New York.
I may be wrong on that but thats what I'm digging out of memory (old) You may someday run across the same model made by Remington or Winchester as well. Once upon a time I had a P-14 rifle and with cast bullets it shot very well, ball ammo wasn't so great because of bore dimensions. Jack is right - Eddystone was affiliated with Remington and was one of three manufacturers - Winchester and Remington being the other two. About 1.2 million Eddystone M1917s were made and roughtly the same amount were made totally by the other two. Approximately 3/4 of US soldiers in WWI carried the M1917.